"Gays are gross. I demand people ban any player who admits to being gay. The community should cleaned of such filth" On what basis do CCP resist that demand?

Once being merely distasteful is suffficient reason to ban someone, then pretty quickly the only people left are the ones who haven't done anything to even briefly offend anyone.

"That guy killed my untanked Iteron full of compressed Crokite and A-type loot, AND HE ENJOYED IT! ban him!"

I'll ask again. How could CCP resist religious groups or the Russian government if they demanded that CCP remove people who engage in "unacceptable" behaviour that "bring the game into disrepute"?

After all, "it's simply a case of morals", right?


As soon as CCP have conceded the right of any group to demand the removal of a player simply because they dislike what he does out of game, then they're wide open to every pressure group out there who thinks they have a duty to make sure you and I live our lives as they think we should.

Who the flying hell are you to determine what is "Right" or "Wrong" as a course of action ? How is this different from people losing all their space-business to a rebalane or a market crash ?

The harassment part ? We have Kugu, we have comms, we have propaganda which sole purpose is to dogpile on "The enemy" and make them seem like absolute douchebags. Some take offense, some don't care, but it is exactly the same thing.

Also to those who associate what happens to the "victim" to torture, USUALLY YOU CANNOT WALK AWAY FROM TORTURE AT ANY GIVEN POINT

Read that last sentence again.

Again.

Last time.

If that still isnt enough for you to get the point, Erotica is using people's greed against them. Was his life or health at stake ? Was he held at gunpoint by Erotica and co ?

Was he in any way threatened in real life ? Why did he AGREE to singing ?

Erotica didnt pick him out of all the people in eve to make his life miserable ? He AGREED to it.

After ignoring every warning in the tutorial, he proceeded to willingly give everything he owned in the video-game eve online to a guy he just met.

If he has problems with anything, it's with his own reasoning, and if that's enough to push him over an edge or another and make him go apeshit at his wife, he needs professional help. Not a ban of Erotica.

If banning erotica is the "right course of action", then i deem you untasteful, your writing offends me, and i am calling for a ban of you.

Read malcanis posting once or twice and try to understand what he is saying, because he is actually spot on. "Erotica plays the game in a way i do not like and that many people do not like, ban him".

As they would say in law school, this would create a dangerous precedent.

Would you care to expand upon why Erotica and the like should suffer real world punishment for actions that are carried out within a virtual world that does not forbid said actions, no matter how distasteful you or I may find them?

Perspective is a quality that some in this thread appear to be lacking. If you don't like something that somebody is doing within the confines of Eve, then punish them for it, in game. Threats of real world violence for actions carried out within the context of Eve are not acceptable, people who make such threats, or condone them should be stomped on from a great height by both CCP and local authorities.

And what if they did it if the only thing I did was gank them? Should I feel somehow responsible for it then too?

Or if I kick them from my corp?

Or if I maroon them in a WormHole in their pod and close the exit?

Or I destroy their alliance and steal all the things?

Should I feel responsible for what they do then?

I'm not an erotia supporter per se, but I'll take a shot. I'd say "Wow, I feel bad for that person's family. It's sad they couldn't get him the mental health care he so obviously needed."


...Just like in every other incident I see, where video games and a mental disorder collide to tragic results.

So you expect them to take action when no breach of either the EULA or the TOS has occured purely based on your dislike of his behaviour?

18 pages in and I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where they think CCP's responsibility to police our out of game actions ends.

So basically, there are literally no rules and the only determining factor is being "offensive" to you.

If I hook up with another EVE player and form a relationship with her, should I be banned if Prince Kobol thinks she's too young for me?

How about if our alliances fight and you are offended by some of my propoganda posts on a 3rd party site?

Seriously, if you can't see why arbitrary banning for "offending" people - especially in a game like EVE - wouldn't be a huge whirlwind of a shitstorm, I don't know what to say to you. This isn't just a slippery slope: it's a 4km Luge ride straight to hell.

So, if there is someone I don't like at work - and I bring in a pie for my coworkers, of which is a flavor that he doesn't enjoy, and CCP gets wind of it - I should be banned?

Oh, and please feel free to tip my bounty. Maybe if some of the people here bump me up to #1, no one will play my game...

I am appaled at what he's doing, but I also get Malcanis' point of view, if it is the one I think it is.

Basically, you can't punish somebody who hasn't broken any rules, and doing so in spite of it would create a dangerous precedent. In that regard, CCP's hands are more or less tied unless they want to invoke their TOS' arbitrary savior clause.

What a lot of people on the pages 1-5 are apparently forgetting is the fact CCP created those rules; there is no reason they couldn't adapt them to the situation.
Failure to do so would border on criminal negligence, IMHO.

A member of BATs was recorded by nulli singing the theam tune to my little pony (badly). They attempted to use it to get us to kick him out of goons. We laughed at this as did our corp member.

We have in the past told people who messed up in a fleet to sing on comms to make amends.

We have gotten people to place plungers on their heads and apologise via a photo of them doing it for crimes they have committed.

I guess you consider these bullying too?

They were answered. They were ignored. As I suspected, no one's really interested in answers, just a witchhunt.

Fourth attempt:

Ok mate. Let's talk like adults. Concerning self-reflection, do you think you and your friends have gone too far?

If you were actually interested in an answer, and not just hating for hatred's sake, and hadn't already made up your mind on the matter, with extreme prejudice...

You'd go find it for yourself. You'd WANT to find it for yourself.

I'm sure if you ask nicely E1 can link you some of the recording of people who have won.

In the meantime I will tell you, as a scammer, that this scam would not work if it got out that it was impossible to win the bonus room. You have to make it possible to win otherwise people will not fall for the bait.

If you set up a charade with a neutral alt, who does the voice in the recording?